Jeremy Cline of the Change Work Life podcast talks to guest interviewer Brendan Schneider about the lessons he has learnt from 100 episodes of the show, his reasons for starting the podcast and his future plans.
Today’s guest interviewer
Brendan Schneider of The MarCom Society
Websites: SchneiderB / MarCom Society
Facebook: SchneiderB Media
LinkedIn: Brendan Schneider
Over ten years ago, Brendan Schneider started his blog, SchneiderB.com, in order to help the school MarCom professional. The blog was a place to share his journey, his successes, as well as his failures, with the goal of helping all MarCom professionals. In that time, Brendan has written hundreds of blog posts, spoken in front of thousands of school professionals, organized seven VirCon (virtual conferences), and, in total, helped thousands of school MarCom professionals from around the globe.
But it wasn’t enough!
He repeatedly heard that marketing and communications professionals wanted a community created expressly for the MarCom professional. It was from this desire that his dream for The MarCom Society was born.
What you’ll learn in this episode
- [01:57] Jeremy explains what led him to want to start a podcast.
- [06:45] Jeremy talks through how he started the podcast.
- [11:20] Jeremy discusses his goals and expectations when starting the podcast.
- [12:09] Finding and building your audience when starting a business.
- [13:25] Looking at where an initial project can take you.
- [14:40] Jeremy talks about his part-time role alongside the podcast.
- [16:57] Jeremy discusses how he approached his employer to reduce his hours and how he manages the workload.
- [20:17] Jeremy talks about what he enjoys most about doing the podcasts.
- [22:04] Jeremy reveals his favourite interviews.
- [26:53] Jeremy explains what he has learnt about himself during his podcasts journey.
- [29:20] Why your career options aren’t limited by your previous education and experience.
- [30:11] The importance of building relationships and how networking doesn’t have to be daunting.
- [32:03] Why it’s worth trying things out and exploring your ideas.
- [33:04] The value of coaching and being accountable.
- [34:30] What’s next for Jeremy and Change Work Life.
Resources mentioned in this episode
Please note that some of these are affiliate links and we may get a small commission in the event that you make a purchase. This helps us to cover our expenses and is at no additional cost to you.
- The Property Podcast
- Rich Dad, Poor Dad, Robert T Kiyosaki
- Episode 26: How property investment can change your life – with Rob Dix of The Property Hub
- Unscripted, MJ De Marco (also check out The Millionaire Fastlane by the same author)
- John Lee Dumas Entrepreneurs on Fire
- Episode 28A: Hiring, jobs and recruitment in the time of COVID-19 – with Margaret Buj, Interview Coach
- Episode 53: Sewing Bee, jewellery design and empowering creators – with Nicole Akong of House of Akong
- Episode 95: Covid Stories: Reassessing your lifestyle and career – with Chris Bryant of Lost Nomads Pizza
- Episode 20: Finding your vocation – with Sarah Turner
To see the resources recommended by all our guests, visit the Resources page.
Episode 100: What I’ve learnt from 100 episodes of the Change Work Life podcast - with Jeremy Cline
Jeremy Cline 0:00
It's Episode 100. And my guest this week? Well, it's me! I'm Jeremy Cline, and this is Change Work Life.
Jeremy Cline 0:23
Hello, and welcome to Change Work Life, the podcast that's all about beating the Sunday evening blues and enjoying Mondays again. And welcome to a very special Episode 100. I can't tell you how delighted I am to have got to this milestone. And to celebrate, well, I'm doing something a little bit different this week. I have a guest on, as I usually do, but this time, they're going to be the one asking me the questions. So, I thought it was about time to share with you a little bit more about me, why I started the podcast and what I've learned from 100 episodes. But rather than me doing all the talking, I've asked my special guest to interview me. So, I'm delighted to welcome Brendan Schneider to the show. Brendan is a marketing and communication professional in the private school space. And he's also the founder of MarCom, which is a community where they help each other do that type of work. And Brendan and I are also members of a mastermind group, which is how we met. We help each other out with a few other guys with our own business struggles. And so, Brendan is extremely well placed to ask me lots of interesting questions. Brendan, welcome to the podcast.
Brendan Schneider 1:36
Jeremy, thank you for having me. I'm very excited to be part of your 100th episode.
Jeremy Cline 1:41
Well, I'm very excited to have you. I'm also a little nervous, but you know, let's go straight into it. Brendan, over to you.
Brendan Schneider 1:48
So, you're handing the mic to me, and I want to jump right in. What was going on in your career that led you to think about starting something else?
Jeremy Cline 1:57
This is probably quite a long story actually. If I look back, I realise that I wasn't desperately happy with my chosen career path for quite a while. But I'd always been of the view, well, I was of the view for a very long time that I was just kind of stuck in it. I mean, you know, lawyer is a well-respected, good job. But there have been a number of times where I was just still not sure I'm really enjoying this. I mean, you know, it wasn't awful. It's a quite interesting work, and you know, you do get to do some fairly interesting high-profile stuff and meet some great people. But it just wasn't all that kind of, it just wasn't really rocking me. But I kind of felt like I was trapped in it. And I was like, 'Well, okay, so maybe I'll just, you know, try and plug as much into my retirement savings and that kind of thing as I can.' And then, I randomly read an article, which was about property investment. And it was about commercial property. And they were putting on some figures like what you could get in rent on a commercial property, like you know, not like this fancy office block, but just like, you know, a takeaway shop with a flat above it, an apartment above it. And it kind of made me think, 'Oh, this is interesting.' I suppose I was starting to think, I don't know, could this be an escape route, well, possibly not an escape route, but it might be a means of sort of shortening the period between where I was, and I guess you might say retirement. You know, slowly building up, say a portfolio of properties to generate a passive income, which might mean that I didn't need to work. So, I started to research property, and I came across a couple of podcasts, but the main one was one called The Property Podcast, which is still going. And they talk a lot about property investment, as you would expect for a podcast on that subject, but they also talk quite a lot around the kind of the business side of things, the mindset side of things, and they recommend some really interesting resources. So, it was through that podcast that I first heard of the book Rich Dad, Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki, which is, you know, a bit of a classic. And I read that and came up with some really interesting concepts. And then, one of the hosts, a guy called Rob Dix, who I actually had the privilege of interviewing on my podcast, Episode 26 I think you can find my interview with him, he recommended a book called Unscripted by a guy called M.J. DeMarco, who also wrote a book called Millionaire Fastlane. And I can't remember exactly what Rob Dix said, but something made me think that that book sounds really interesting, I'm going to buy that. And it was an absolute eye-opener. I mean, it's probably the one book that has changed the course of where I've been going. It's quite ranty, it has to be said, and he starts off with a lot about why basically a job is just a silly thing to do frankly. He refers to it as the slow lane and has lots of reasons about, you know, lack of security and lack of freedom and that kind of thing. So, it presents quite a case for why starting your own business is really smart thing to do. But then the next section of the book is kind of like a framework for what you should look for in a business. And it was just so well presented. You know, the different characteristics that will put you in good stead for having, you know, something that's successful. So, I read that and that was the book that made me start, okay, I want to look into this. I want to start my own thing. I had no idea what it was going to be at that stage. But that was the lightbulb moment where I thought, 'Yeah, I'm going to give this part the shot.
Brendan Schneider 6:09
And that book was The Millionaire Fastlane?
Jeremy Cline 6:12
It was Unscripted. It's the second book, Millionaire Fastlane came first, Unscripted deals with a lot of similar concepts, and I actually prefer it as a book. I read Millionaire Fastlane afterwards, but yeah, Unscripted, by M.J. DeMarco.
Brendan Schneider 6:26
Wonderful. I'm gonna add that to my list. So, now, my question goes, how did you go from not being real excited about the law, reading Unscripted and then starting a podcast? Talk to me about that.
Jeremy Cline 6:42
Yeah, that is also a very good question. I had various business ideas going through my head. So, one of the key points from the book, and it's one that recurs, but it's that you don't look for ideas per se, you don't kind of think, 'Oh, yeah, this is a great idea, or this is a great idea.' You look for problems, you look for pain points. So, I started to look at what were problems or pain points in my life at the time. So, to give you a couple of examples, when I was starting to think about this, my daughter was very young, like a year or something like that. And when it came to going on holiday, or going on vacation, trying to find places that kind of checked the boxes for what we needed for a one-year-old, was surprisingly difficult. You know, I had a short laundry list, but it's things like, you know, if you're booking a hotel room, could you hire a crib, for example. Did it have a bath, rather than just a shower? Because it's really hard trying to wash a one-year-old in the shower. You know, it was things like that. So, and maybe I came up with half a dozen things. And, you know, we went on a couple of holidays, and it was always really, really difficult trying to find places which match these criteria. So, I had this idea of, well, what about having that, what about having like effectively TripAdvisor, but for parents? So, you know, you can list all the facilities that you need and match them up with these venues. And it's going to be anywhere in the world. And it's going to be this massive thing. So, that was one idea I had. Another one, again, personal pain point, I have quite small feet. And in particular, they are quite narrow. And it is a pain trying to find shoes that fit. Almost always, it involves like getting insoles and heel grips and that kind of thing. You know, it's just, it's a nuisance. And so, I thought, 'Well, is it just me? Could I start basically manufacturing shoes for people who are in the similar position?' I even had a name, it was going to be Narrow Boots. So I don't know if you've heard of narrow boats, which are like boats that go down canals. This was going to be Narrow Boots. So, you know, I had the name and everything. And I started doing research into both of these ideas and kind of reaching out to people and stuff, and discounted both of those, but I mean, the hotel accommodation, you know, child-friendly accommodation, it was just going to be, when I thought about it, it would have been such a big project that would have required so much investment trying to get that, that I just thought, 'No, this is not the place for me to start.' And so, the other pain point that was going through my head at the time was, well, I'm not happy at my job. I live in a town which is pretty entrepreneurial actually. There's lots of people who kind of were in my position. They did that commute into London, did the office job, but then quit and they've started a business and we've got loads of independent businesses where I am. So, that gave me the idea for the podcast, learning from these people, speaking to these people, finding out a bit about, you know, why they made the change and how they did it and find out what we can learn from that. And so, I actually had a bit of coaching to try and get my thoughts in order. And the question he asked that got me to the podcast was basically, 'Pick one. Where are you going to start? Which is the one that sounds most interesting to you?' And I thought, 'Yeah, a podcast where I get to interview people. That sounds quite interesting.' I know, well, I thought at the time that, you know, you can make money from a podcast, I'd heard of people like, is it John Lee Dumas, you know, he talked about how he gets these tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of listeners, and you can monetize that. So, I thought, 'Yeah, okay. So, there's a business idea there.' And so, I started the podcast, and I started preparing for it in about April 2019, and launched it in October 2019.
Brendan Schneider 11:02
That's great. And now, we're 99, 100 episodes later, which is wonderful. That's a huge milestone. So, I don't think I even said congratulations, because I know what a big deal that is, 100 is a lot. Now, when you started the podcast, did you have goals or expectations that you were hoping to achieve at some point in the future?
Jeremy Cline 11:21
I had some very, very, very naive goals. I assumed that I, having no experience of podcasting, not having any audience or following whatsoever, would be able to go out there and get thousands of listeners. And yeah, I understood the CPM model. So the idea that advertisers will pay you so much per 1000 listeners. So, I had that in mind, okay, so if I get to this kind of many thousand listeners, then I can generate that in advertising revenue. Yeah, no, I can, I can make this into a thing. Oh, I was so naive. I hadn't realised, I mean, I don't know why I hadn't realised, but it is hard to build an audience. It really is. When you're starting from scratch, starting from zero, you know, it's a reasonably broad niche, if you can have a broad niche. I mean, you know, it's not like my podcast is about hair care for horses or something, you know, something really specialised. I certainly have an avatar, someone I'm talking to, someone who looks quite a lot like me, you know, a midlife professional, partner, kids, mortgage, all that kind of thing. But it's still a sort of relatively broad niche. So, trying to find where my audience was, where I could go to them and say, 'Hey, come and listen to me', it was hard work. So, yeah, I mean, I'm looking back and realising how naive I was. I'm actually really proud of the fact that I've got to 100 episodes, and that people are downloading and listening. I mean, it might be more in the low hundreds per week, rather than the thousands. But yeah, certainly, when I first started, I was kind of thinking, yeah, I would get these thousands and thousands of listeners. And then, I guess, once I had realised that that wasn't going to happen, then I started thinking more in terms of, well, what can I do, first of all, to build the listenership, but then also, to find out what businesses might follow on from the podcast. So, I started to recognise that a podcast on itself wasn't going to be a business. And so, yeah, I started to look at, well, you know, what could I offer. And I've run a listener survey to give me some ideas about what the pain points are, and a lot of it was just gonna see where it took me really. And, you know, one of the things it's taken me to is the mastermind group which we have, which has been fabulous and unbelievably helpful. And yeah, it's just led me - it certainly opened lots of possibilities. You start to think that there's a lot of things out there that I could do either with some of the skills or some of the things or some of the connections that I've made.
Brendan Schneider 14:21
Now, this is kind of meta, because you're doing, you're talking about changing careers. Your podcast is changing careers. So, and we're going through this, this is what our mastermind is involved with as well. Now, I think I know the answer to this, but are you working full-time, as well as doing your podcast?
Jeremy Cline 14:41
I took the decision that I was going to go part-time. So, a couple of years ago, just before I started working on the podcast, I went down from five days a week to three days a week. I was in the fortunate position that, financially, there was enough coming in on 60%, rather than 100%, that we would be able to cover everything. That was actually really quite challenging, making that decision. Because one of the things I recognised early on was that I was never going to have time to do this combined with working five days a week and having a young family. You know, weekends, I've got to be there to give my wife a break some of the time, and you know, play with my daughter and that kind of stuff. And that was, time has always been a big challenge, but that was really in sharp focus. But again, it was a part of the coaching we kind of worked through, well, you know, what could I do? Could I take a period of unpaid leave? Could I, you know, have like an extended holiday, to going into work and saying, 'Hi guys, yeah, I want to cut my hours down. Is that okay?' And probably without the coaching, I'm not sure I would have drummed up the courage to do that. But I did. And they said yes. And so, that's what I've done. Now, there were certainly some eyebrows raised. I don't think I'm the only male who's kind of like below retirement age, who works less than five days a week, but in my company, I'm probably one of about two.
Brendan Schneider 16:19
Yeah, well, I bring that up, because you used the word courage. And, you know, we talk about in our mastermind, I have a side hustle as it were, and I'm scared to death to make it my full-time gig. And I've always been impressed that you were able to do that, and just go ask. So, I think that's really important. And I wonder whether people that are listening, there's got to be some fear there. Because I know I have it. And I, again, applaud you for doing that. Did it turn out the way you thought it was going to turn out? That going down, you know, 60% and then doing this. And what lessons have you learned from that?
Jeremy Cline 16:58
It's been interesting. I mean, yes, I can definitely do it. It certainly requires, perhaps a bit more organisation, perhaps a little bit more efficiency, actually, on both sides, on the job side and on the podcast side. Truth be told, on the podcast side, certainly, when I started out and I was literally doing everything by myself, I quickly realised that it still wasn't enough. I mean, you know, podcasting is a lot of fun. And I've absolutely loved doing the interviews and everything. But you do risk getting into a bit of a hamster wheel, especially if you're doing it all yourself, where you record the interviews, and then you do the editing, and then you do the show notes, and then you do the posting and all that sort of stuff. And it was probably about, it was maybe about as few as 15 episodes in that I realised that I was, even with two days a week, I was going to be stuck on this hamster wheel, unless I created a bit more time. And so, the way I've done that is to start to outsource some of the things that I do. So, the first thing I outsourced was getting help with the transcripts that I put on the show notes page for each episode. So, I do a full transcript, and you know, that's a bit of an effort to put together. Next thing I outsourced was the editing. So, now I've got a guy who does the editing for me. And you know, that all works out really well. I mean, I still listen to each episode, to check that I'm happy with the edit, because you know, the buck stops with me, and also, I quite enjoy listening to the interviews also, I can, you know, make some notes for the show notes and resources and that sort of stuff. But yeah, I outsourced that. And then, most recently, I've outsourced the show notes themselves. So, everything that goes on the web page for each episode, someone else helps me out with picking out the key points and that kind of thing. And it's one of these things, I'm conscious that it costs money to do, and as yet, I'm not getting a return on that in terms of the podcast, but I mean, for one, it's good practice actually. I think if I want to succeed in business in any way, I need to be comfortable and be well-practised with outsourcing and delegating things. But also, there's just kind of a necessity to be able to develop and build things up. And it's enabled me to streamline my processes a bit, such that I can get to the stage where I've built up a big bank of interviews, and I can take some time out. So, I can decide, hey, I'm gonna take, we're recording this in July, so I have taken off June and July, apart from this, from doing interviews, and because I've managed to build up a bank, and I've got a slightly more streamlined process. But there's just, there's never enough time, there literally is never enough time.
Brendan Schneider 20:10
Agreed. So, you talked about some of the things that were probably challenging for you that you've outsourced. What have you enjoyed most about doing the podcast?
Jeremy Cline 20:18
Definitely the interviews. Which is a relief, because that was kind of, when my coach said, you know, 'So, what's the thing that you want to start with?' And I thought, 'Yeah, interviewing people who've made changes, that sounds interesting.' Interviewing people has been absolutely fantastic. I absolutely love it. I mentioned that I listen back to each episode once it's been edited. And it's such a joy and a privilege, not to listen to me necessarily, absolutely not to listen to me, but just to listen back to what my guests are saying. There's been so much value packed into those 100 episodes. Every guest has brought something. And part of me is a little frustrated that more people aren't listening, not because, you know, not for my own reasons, but just because there's some brilliant, brilliant content here that other people need to hear. You know guys, this is gonna help you. So, yeah, I just, I love talking to my guests, I love having them on. And yeah, I guess I just love meeting these random people. And you know, I'm at a stage where people are pitching themselves to me, and some of the pitches are interesting and some of them aren't. But you know, I'm just having conversations with people from literally all over the globe on all matter of interesting subjects. And yeah, it's great. It's a huge amount of fun.
Brendan Schneider 21:49
Now, I'm sure you've loved all of the interviews, Jeremy, but because I'm the host, I get to ask. What were some of your favourite interviews?
Jeremy Cline 21:56
You might as well ask me, which is my favourite child! I will pick out a few. First one I'm going to mention is my bonus episode actually. Well, my second bonus episode. So, obviously, we're recording this, we're still in the middle of a coronavirus pandemic. And it was in March 2020 when here in the UK we went into full lockdown. It was really serious and people were aware that, economically, this was going to do some serious, serious damage. Obviously, my podcast all being about careers and career change, that kind of thing, I wanted to put out an episode that addressed that. So, I got a previous guest, Margaret Buj, who's kind of like an interview coach, onto the show to talk about what the effects might be, and what she was seeing in the job market in terms of recruitment. And it was unbelievably positive, actually. She was saying how, yes, she was still seeing plenty of hiring going on. She also had a whole list of brilliant tips for how to prepare yourself and perform in a video interview. It was great to be able to put an episode out relatively soon after that lockdown started that addressed this, and to have Margaret on who gave just some great tips, some great inspiration, some great optimism as well. So, that was one episode. Another one, it's got to be what I consider my highest profile guest so far. So, I'm not into handicrafts in any way. But through my wife really, I got into a TV programme, which is quite popular here in the UK, called the Great British Sewing Bee, which is a sewing competition. It's very similar to Great British Bake Off, in that people leave every week and you end up with a final of three. But it's all about sewing, making clothes instead. And I got really into it. And during 2020, it was the second series that I've actually watched from start to finish, and one of the finalists in that series was a woman called Nicole Akong, who was a real character, a real ball of energy. And I think it was during the final, or during the semi-finals, they did a brief profile and talked about how she changed careers from financial services to starting her own jewellery house. And I thought, 'That sounds like an interesting career change, that sounds like it would be a good fit.' And so, I thought, 'Well, I'll be amazed if I even get a reply to my email.' But I emailed her. And then, she said yes. And I literally fell off my chair. I couldn't believe it. I mean, you know, this was someone who had quite a following, she got to the final, she was a real character, and she said yes. So, I interviewed her in Episode 53, and she really delivered, yeah, she has a really interesting story and lots of stuff about mindset and how she approached starting a business, it was a really, really interesting interview. And then, can I pick one more?
Brendan Schneider 25:21
Absolutely. It ultimately is your show, Jeremy.
Jeremy Cline 25:24
Oh, yeah, it is, isn't it? Episode 95, which is the first of my COVID stories series. It's a short series, there will have been, when this episode goes out, there will have been two episodes go out which all deal with how people's careers have changed as a direct result of the pandemic. And I have you to thank for it, because it was your suggestion, your idea to put this series together, which I have done. And so, Episode 95, I interviewed Chris Bryant, who started working in financial services, he was there for 20 odd years, and he hated it. And then, well, he was off work with stress, due to go back at the start of 2020. And then, the pandemic hit, and he didn't go back. And so, he started his own pizza business. His is the episode where, I don't think I've ever nodded along with what my guests were saying quite as much as I have done with Chris, just what he was saying about feeling trapped in his job and the lifestyle it presented and that kind of thing. He was, again, it was great. So, I love all my guests, but there's three particular highlights.
Brendan Schneider 26:45
I'll ask a follow up question to this. But before I do that, I want to know what you've learned about yourself through doing the podcast. I'd love to hear that.
Jeremy Cline 26:55
One thing I have definitely learned is that I can create something out of nothing, which is quite a good feeling. I mean, I have literally, you know, this podcast started with nothing. And I sourced all my first guests, and I learned how to do a podcast and everything that goes into it, which it turns out is quite a bit more than just interviewing people. And I've built my own websites from scratch as, you know, never particularly techie. So, building my own website, using WordPress, so I didn't use one of these website builders like Wix or Squarespace, so it's, yeah, it's not like coding, I don't have to write HTML and CSS and all that kind of stuff, but it's still fairly technical. So I've created that. It's reinforced the idea that, when I commit to doing something, I will stick to it. There are a certain number of episodes, which I understand are the number at which podcasters tend to kind of give up. So, I think episode 7 is one of them. I think episode 11 is another one. Here I am Episode 100. So, even though I've kind of, you don't get an awful lot of feedback with podcasting, you don't get necessarily floods of people writing into you going, 'Oh, this was such a great episode.' But I've just thought, this is going to be useful material, and over time, I'm going to have this great catalogue of resources. And so, yeah, I've learned that I've kind of got the, I don't know, stubbornness to persist with this kind of thing. I guess I've learned that I think I'm quite good at asking questions. It's almost a game I play with myself, so listeners are going to have to watch out for this, but if I can get my guests to say, 'Ooh, that's a good question', then I kind of think, 'Yes!' So pleased with that. Yeah, I like it. I like asking questions and, you know, synthesising the information and that's, yeah, it's good fun.
Brendan Schneider 29:08
Great. Well, the follow up question is probably the more obvious one. Are there any important lessons or themes that have come up in your interviews?
Jeremy Cline 29:19
Yeah. Yeah, I'll pick out a couple. The first one is that you are not limited by your previous education or experience. I've interviewed lots of people who have gone on to do things which are completely unrelated to where they started. You've always got transferable skills, even if you don't necessarily see how they might relate to what you want to do. But the starting point, I see this so often, I'm quite regularly on discussion groups, I did my degree in blah, blah, blah, and I've had five years' experience doing blah, blah, blah, and then another five years doing blah, blah, blah, what can I do? Answer, you can do anything, that experience isn't relevant. The real question is, what do you actually want to do? And then, let's see what experience you've got that can help you and otherwise, how you can get there. Networking is a very, very common recurring theme. And I've always known that networking is important. But I've always thought that, I suppose, more in terms of going to, you know, drinks parties when we still went to drinks parties, and trying to drum up business and that kind of thing. And it's so much more than that. Just talking to people, just building connections, just taking advantage of the opportunity to meet new people and being really open with having conversations with them. I mean, you know, our mastermind, it's this network of five disparate people who, we happen to have been brought together by a particular community that we're part of, but you know, I wouldn't have discovered you guys, had I not put myself out there and put myself into this community. And it's been absolutely invaluable. Some of my best guests have been referrals from other guests. I've had two or three guests who've supplied me with between about 10 episodes worth, which is great. It's absolutely fantastic. So, yeah, networking, its power and how to do it as well. You know, it's not some sort of sleazy sales thing. It really is just talking to people, building connections, working out who you can help, making connections. Like I introduced you to Stephanie, because you kind of operate in a similar space. And I thought okay, Stephanie does something that, this is Stephanie Geyer, she does something which is kind of like Brendan does. I'll introduce them. Nothing might come of it, but something might come of it. So, that's, you know, that kind of thing. I'll mention two more things. It's worth having a go. It's just worth having a go at something. Chances are, it'll work out. There's been guests who've said, 'I didn't think I was going to get it. I didn't think I was going to achieve it. I didn't think I had the qualifications.' Sarah Turner, who's now a community nurse, she started as a sort of PA in marketing and events. And she phoned up the Open University saying 'Kind of interested in this, but not sure I've actually got, you know, the starting qualifications I need.' And they said, 'Oh, no, no, you're absolutely fine.' And so, you know, she gave it a go, even though she didn't think she was gonna get there. Asking yourself, 'Well, what really is the worst that can happen?' Say if I do quit my job and try something else, well, what is the worst that can happen? I can probably go back to it. Okay, well, how bad is that really? So, yeah, just having a go. And then, a really interesting, I think, fourth one is the value of coaching, the value of having someone there to help you and to keep you accountable. Because what I've learned is that there's no shortage of material out there. I mean, there's my podcast, there's other podcasts, there's books, but it's very difficult to take all that information and synthesise it and figure out for yourself what is the answer. So, coaching is brilliant for that, I'm really glad that I have been coached myself in the past and also more recently. As we record, I'm still going through a coaching programme to figure out what I do next. It's absolutely invaluable. It is not about there being a lack of information. It's the accountability, it's the hand holding, it's the someone walking down the path with you and really helping you personally, it's that personalization, helping you personally to figure out what you need to do.
Brendan Schneider 34:18
That's great, Jeremy. And you just said, 'What's next.' So, I'm gonna ask you what's next. Now, I hope it's like Episode 95 and you open up a pizza shop, but that might not be your thing. So, what's on the horizon for Jeremy Cline?
Jeremy Cline 34:32
So, as we speak, I'm still going through the coaching process. And as I mentioned, I really like and enjoy asking questions and synthesising stuff and connecting people. So, I'm trying to figure out what I can take, which will lead to that. So, it might be some kind of coaching or consulting, I haven't quite figured out what that is going to look like, and also, where the podcast fits in with that as well. I mean, at the moment, I've got no plans to stop doing the podcast. I'm loving it, roll on the next 100 episodes. But is it then just going to be something which I do on the side because, you know, it's something I've created, and I want to keep it going? Or is it something that I can incorporate into whatever thing I start? So, yeah, there's still some work to do on that, but it's definitely giving me some ideas.
Brendan Schneider 35:29
Well, Jeremy, I have two final thoughts. First is, I hope to read the Change Work Life book very soon. So, that's what I'm going to put out there for you. The other thing that I want to say, that if you're listening to this, and you've made it this far, Jeremy knows I have a podcast that I've started and stopped and started and stopped. And the fact that he's made 100 is really impressive. So, if you're listening now, I'm asking you to do a favour for Jeremy. I want you to go into your podcast app of choice and rate the podcast please. A celebration for Jeremy for 100, rate the podcast, write a review, and that'll help him, because we need this to get out to more people. So, Jeremy Cline, thank you for turning the dial or the mic around for me for Episode 100. And I look forward to seeing you back at Episode 200.
Jeremy Cline 36:15
Well, Brendan, thank you so much for coming on the show and for interviewing me so skilfully.
Jeremy Cline 36:22
Okay, hope you enjoyed that interview with me. Big shout out to Brendan Schneider. I thought he did a great job. And I hope you enjoyed hearing a bit more about me and the journey I've been on over the past 100 episodes. I also really want to take the opportunity to thank you, whether this is the first episode you've listened to, or if you've been with me from the start, this show just wouldn't be possible without you. So, thank you so much for being with me and taking the time to listen to my podcast. As always, you'll find the show notes for this episode at changeworklife.com/100, for of course, Episode 100, where you'll find a summary of everything we talked about, a full transcript and links to the resources which I mentioned. As I said in the interview, I'm not stopping yet. And I've got some great episodes coming up for the future. So, if you haven't already, make sure you're subscribed to the show, and I can't wait to see you in next week's episode. Cheers. Bye.
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