Episode 83: How to find your passion by following your intuition – with Mareike Schoenig, transformational life coach

Episode 83: How to find your passion by following your intuition - with Mareike Schoenig, transformational life coach

Jeremy Cline 0:00
Deep down, you know that you're the only person who knows the answer to the question of, what will make you happy, what would you actually enjoy, what sort of a job or career will give you satisfaction? But how do you go about answering that question? How do you tap inside yourself? How do you allow yourself to think intuitively and come to an answer? That's what we talk about in this episode. I'm Jeremy Cline, and this is Change Work Life.

Jeremy Cline 0:40
Hello, and welcome to Change Work Life, where we're all about beating the Sunday evening blues and enjoying Mondays again. Now, if you've listened to Episode 63 with David Frank Gomes, you'll know that coaching isn't really about advising or telling you what to do. It's much more about helping you find the answer from within by following your own intuition. That's what we're going to cover in today's episode. And to help me do that, I'm joined by transformational life coach Mareike Schoenig. Mareike, welcome to the podcast.

Mareike Schoenig 1:07
Hello, Jeremy. Thanks for having me.

Jeremy Cline 1:09
Can you start by telling me what a transformational life coach is, what you do and who are your clients?

Mareike Schoenig 1:15
Transformation is basically the explanation of change. I'm coaching and supporting people in any kind of transition and any kind of changing situations and life moments where they feel they are kind of stuck, where it's like, they don't find the way out of that particular situation on their own. And a life coach is working together with them as a reflection board to unveil what is invisible for them to be able to grow stronger and grow bigger and grow more powerful, and get more clarity and more inner wisdom to kind of solve a certain crisis or a threatening or inconvenient life situation with pleasure and joy, and to make the life afterwards even more grateful. And also, in my coaching in particular, I focus on not only the one-time success for that one particular situation I have with them, but it's prepping them for the future. So, whenever they hit into the same situation again, or they run into the same scenario again, that they kind of have been through that before and they have transformed towards someone else, so that they can take that with more ease for the future. Because in the end, life is all about giving us opportunities and giving us options and giving us possibilities to learn and to see and to reflect what exactly I can grow towards, to put it in those words.

Jeremy Cline 2:34
And who are your typical clients? Do you focus on a particular niche?

Mareike Schoenig 2:38
I do. Being an expert for a couple of years or a long time myself, I focus on international corporate employees. So, people who work in big companies and have an international career, who are the ones that easily feel stuck, because sometimes they are tied up in a contract, and they need to find ways and solutions that make their daily work life very fulfilled, or that they feel like they want to make it feel fulfilled.

Jeremy Cline 3:03
Can you tell me a bit about your own story? I mean, every coach I've spoken to never started out as a career coach, there's always been a career that they started with beforehand. So, where were you before you became a coach?

Mareike Schoenig 3:14
At the very beginning, I was a university student and I studied computer science, always in the field of medical research and medical equipment, post-processing solutions for, for example, computer tomography systems, and so on. And I loved it, I found myself very proud doing it. But once I finished this university course, I could never imagine myself being a full-time programmer and being full-time employed, simply sitting down in front of my desk and hacking, structured and guidanced, like through computer language into something that creates something, creates an output. So, I looked for a company who was open to train graduates from university toward more of management positions and more like the whole economic topic. So, I started with Siemens that time and that was a beautiful start to begin with. I always had the urge of live internationally and just travel around the world and just be in different countries. And with Siemens, I really, as an international company, I really had the chance to do that. Until finally, I managed to end up in Singapore, that was maybe seven years back now, and I kind of really loved it and the freedom of being part of a brilliant city and the world and I still found my place, but I was never really truly happy. The work situation had so and so many different struggles holding back for me and I couldn't really overcome them myself and I was really at the unhappiest place in my life ever. So, eventually I decided to, after I finished the contract in Singapore, to stop working, and also I found myself pregnant. And I took that time to reflect, and I always had this inner feeling that I wanted to be working on my own and I wanted to be on my own and to be out of this directing manager situation. And I tried various different ideas, but none of them would stick, until one day, I met a mom who was doing parenting coaching and she would just guide the parents through very basic tricks, how you can actually coach your toddler. And I found that so fascinating. And, I mean, my toddler was very young that day, at that time, but the moment I got in touch with that topic, I felt such a strong urge of going and doing and learning more. And I just wanted to be part of that, that I just signed up for the same course she signed up. And ever since, everything just progressed naturally. And here I am today working as a coach.

Jeremy Cline 5:41
In hindsight, what was going wrong when you were in Singapore? If you could sort of put your finger on it and describe it in a couple of sentences, what was it that was wrong with that for you?

Mareike Schoenig 5:52
Looking back, I do think there were a lot of wrong things in my own mindset. And I took roles and accepted of being a victim and just staying for the money, and all that triggered by feeling strongly overwhelmed and strongly, not being able to deal with the demands that were totally unrealistic in some cases. And the indifference is that there were consequences out of the differences of the target meet, not meeting the targets and stuff. What really, really, really got me wrong at the first place, and that's something I really ignored and that is also the origin of why I do what I do today, is like, I remember, before going to Singapore, they were allowing me to go on a small orientation trip just to look and see, to see what everything is like. And I touched base in Singapore and I didn't feel it. I was like, 'This is not where you want to be.' But there's then an urge in me, probably my ego was so strong, I just wanted to be abroad. And I wanted this kind of a lifestyle with like, basically accepting all kinds of consequences, as long as I would just finally be abroad again, and not really giving my intuition and my inner feelings the attention at that early, early, early phase I was in, it would have saved me a lot of tears and a lot of sleepless nights and a lot of exhaustion, a lot of fights within the company and all that, but I wasn't giving it attention. So, looking back, I think it's a mixture of not looking what my inside has actually communicated to me, I was aware of, but I was deciding against it, and a mixture of exhaustion and unrealistic targets and all those kind of things that turn you into a crisis.

Jeremy Cline 7:29
So, you mentioned there intuition, which is really the topic that I want to talk about with you. So, we're talking about looking inside and starting with your own feelings and being guided by your own intuition. It's one of those things which risks sounding perhaps a little bit woo-woo and people kind of listen to it and they don't really know, they kind of go, 'Huh? Okay, so what does that mean?' I mean, what does that look like practically? What does it mean if someone is looking at their own feelings and their own intuition?

Mareike Schoenig 7:59
In our times, where we do live in this society and how we bring up kids and how we just run a business, a lot of things that derive from our mind and the mind is taking over a task of making decisions and choosing that are not necessarily supposed to be taken. I do think, as small human beings as we are, we have greater access towards direction and towards making choices, which way to go, than just our mind. It is just that, from an early childhood onwards, many of us are raised in a way that feelings and emotions and what we feel is toned down or not accepted in a certain situation, so they're not given the room it is needed in order to really process them and to kind of get them out of our bodies again and to kind of feel this inner peace, and there's this okayishness and the satisfaction when those feelings are out of us. But only when we reach that certain stage of having a clean inside, and that means that we know what we're feeling and we have learned how to progress them and we have learned to accept them and deal with them, we kind of get to a point where we are still inside and then we are able to listen to what else is there than just our minds, telling us very dominantly, sometimes.

Jeremy Cline 9:19
Can you go into a bit more detail about what you mean by having a clean inside? What does that look like, what is someone's sort of state of mind or state of thought when they have a clean inside?

Mareike Schoenig 9:31
The state of thought is a very reflective one. It is that, it's a very aware and a very mindful one. When you are in a cleanness or calmness and you've reached this point where you're not a victim to your external world, where you're not thrown from your feelings from one extreme place to the other, but you're able to notice them as early and as small as they sometimes are, you can process them, and processing feeling means acknowledging them, it means getting them out of your body again in a way, with the time that they maybe demand and need. And if you're able to do that, you're very reflective in a way that you can see what's happening around you and you just observe so much more, because you're not busy with your own insides and your own thoughts, but you can finally see and reflect and you also will recognise a lot more in what thrives or throws other people around you when you're reaching that inner state of calmness and peace.

Jeremy Cline 10:29
So, is this a state where you're kind of constantly in this kind of phase of reflection and inner peace? Or is this something which you kind of, you're trying to get this so you can, I don't know, turn it on when you need it?

Mareike Schoenig 10:44
Yeah, I don't think in 100% being able to achieve that in a phase and in a state myself. Life is still, I would say, throwing opportunities at me to see and test my inner stability. But I have learned through coaching and through looking into myself and with allowing things to happen, that there are many deeper layers in my personality that can actually bring some clarity and bring some additional notice towards me. I think I lost the question halfway through, can you repeat it?

Jeremy Cline 11:19
It's whether you're looking to kind of get to this, I don't know, permanent zen-like state, where that is the state you are in in the whole of your days? Or is this, it's like a tool in the toolkit, so when you are feeling a bit frazzled, you recognise it, and you're able to call upon this state, if you like. Is it more that?

Mareike Schoenig 11:38
Yeah, so it's an everyday training, first of all, to be trained on that and to build that skill. Again, it's nothing that came naturally to me. And that is like, you know, if you run a marathon, you need to do, and to be able to be in that state of running a marathon, you need to train for it every day until you're one day able, but are you running the marathon 24/7? You're not, you're just picking it as, you know, the competition is out. And this is what I do. Everything is a choice. And if I feel like life is exhausting, and if I feel like my mind is just bringing me to stages where I feel like it's not as easy as it is usually, I just pick my tool. But sometimes the way back can even take me days. And it's like, because everybody gets mixed up easily. And I wouldn't say it's a constant 24/7 zen, you're meditating in front of... No. I'm still living a normal life. But I've learned to deal with bringing myself back. And the struggle, I'm coming back maybe to why I work with people who feel like what they're doing for work is not fulfilling them or maybe they even find themselves in a crisis, a crisis of health or emotional situation or state of being, where we almost feel impossible to just put ourselves back into this inner stability and into this inner peace of ourselves. And being able to do that one time and being able to learn that skill just makes you crisis-proof for your future, in a way.

Jeremy Cline 12:58
This sounds like it links quite a lot with things like sort of mindfulness, meditation, and that kind of thing. Is there a strong link between what you're talking about and those sorts of practices?

Mareike Schoenig 13:09
Meditation is something for me where I feel like it's muting things, where I have the ability to put whatever I have inside to the side and just keep it at a pause for a moment. Mindfulness is somehow, in a way, the first step towards it, so I believe living a mindful life and giving attention to the small things and giving the things that are happening around and especially within me is definitely the first step towards getting back to the intuition and using that as a tool for our life.

Jeremy Cline 13:41
Say someone is in the position that you found yourself in when you were in this unhappy state. So, when you were in Singapore, working for big corporates, in a state where you just knew that you weren't enjoying your job, and you weren't enjoying life, what should someone who finds themself in that position do first to begin this journey to tapping into their intuition?

Mareike Schoenig 14:03
The first step is always believing that there is a different way or that there's a different style of living and that there's another way, that this is not the reality and it has to be like that forever and that work is all about fighting. The first way is really to start believing that there is something better waiting for you and not accepting the difficult and comprehensive life situation, but believing in that there's something better. But because without believing, sometimes people struggle, they just really see nothing than darkness and the heavy fights and it's so difficult for them to refocus towards something. But working on the belief is the first thing, because the belief is the natural magnet.

Jeremy Cline 14:45
How do you get there? I mean, if you are, you know, really sort of in the thick of it, really run down in, as you said, sort of a dark place, and you might have got to the stage where you think that this is just the way work is, this is what it's always going to be like, I mean, how do you start to shift your mindset to one of belief that there is another way?

Mareike Schoenig 15:04
I think it is not done by simply saying that. I think it's also like a little bit of reflective work and some toolings and some system behind that is very individual to everyone's own personality, that looking into it. For instance, if you find yourself in a dark place, and you, well, I think dark place also sounds a bit unhealthy already, like at coaching, we still work with people that are very, very healthy and able to demand and to satisfy the demands of life. But for instance, if you find yourself happening in a situation where you're extremely unfulfilled and extremely unhappy, and you're just constantly exposed to a situation you feel like you can't handle anymore, being able to use a coach in a way to talk all those things through and to reflect them on your own and to reflect them with them and to find what is that one belief or what is that one habit or what is that one individual thing inside of you that is holding you back towards maybe believing, this can be that. For instance, your parents have taught you that is just the way work is or that you believe the money you're earning in right now is only able to be earnt in that one particular job, and there are many underlying assumptions that hold us back from believing or only starting to imagining a change. I do believe in visioning, and that is also something I just love myself a lot, visioning a future with no constraints and no difficulties and if there would be like no issues with money and everything, what that would look like, and just embrace that on a daily base or kind of build that one small seed towards making a bigger vision and giving it more room in my daily life, is also something that maybe can help at the very beginning to only, yeah, just sit down and envision.

Jeremy Cline 16:46
So, is getting to this stage of belief as much about demolishing the obstacles that we've set for ourselves, as much as anything else? So, taking those limiting beliefs, which is a phrase that comes up time and time again, working out what your limiting beliefs are, and sort of acknowledging that they are limiting beliefs and not necessarily a reality.

Mareike Schoenig 17:08
Yeah, and also then work, and if you choose, work towards changing them, towards supporting ones, and, I mean, limiting beliefs is one thing, there are also clashes of values, like getting transparency about what you're actually believing in and what drives you in a big mission, like what are your values that kind of keep you working. There are also things like, and also a lot of feelings that are just simply stuck inside of you that can hold you back towards believing as well.

Jeremy Cline 17:34
So, I think we've touched on this already, but once you have found this belief that things can change, what's the next step to starting to make that change for you? Presumably, you need to identify where you're looking to get to.

Mareike Schoenig 17:48
Well, there are a couple of things for you to be ready to be in a change, so it has to be the right time, it has to be committed to it, you need to believe in it, and you need to want it. And if all those four pillars are fulfilled, you can start reflecting on the first baby step that is for you. If you feel like you can do that alone.

Jeremy Cline 18:04
Could you just repeat this? So, you said the right time.

Mareike Schoenig 18:07
The right time, you have to be committed, or you should be committed, you need to believe in what you want to change towards to and you really need to want it. Because change is a process and a progress that might require some uncomfortable situations, yeah, and then it just brings you towards your own stretch zone. And if you're not committed, and if you're not really wanting it, and if you don't believe that this can be your own future and if it's the wrong timing, because you're busy with something or you just turn out to be a mother or something, then the success rate is very little or not as big as otherwise.

Jeremy Cline 18:42
Can I just pick you up on that point about timing? Because in my experience, and the impression I get from other people is that there's never a right time or, perhaps turning it around another way, there's always a reason not to do something. So, I'm always too busy. I'm always in the middle of the project. I've always got the parenting thing to do. I've always got, you know, whatever it is, there's always something. So, I was gonna say, how do you decide that it's the right time? How do you decide perhaps that it's not a wrong time to be doing this?

Mareike Schoenig 19:10
I do think you feel it, I do think if you can still cope with it and if you can still manage it and push it towards solving it later, it's probably not as, the demand of change isn't that high. But if you feel like it's becoming the number one struggle in your life, and all you do is think about it, it's maybe something that wants some attention. And it's maybe like the world and the guidance saying you to, just put everything else aside to just give it the time and think of it.

Jeremy Cline 19:35
There might be some people who are listening to this who think that I never have time. So, you know, people who, maybe they're in your situation where they've got a young child. I mean, is there no hope for these people?

Mareike Schoenig 19:45
There is hope, because 'I don't have time' is a limiting belief, or is a belief, not necessarily limiting, it can be very supporting in certain situations, but 'I don't have time' is a belief people carry inside of us and it's a choice to believe in that and to live that way or not. And make room for things. Because in reality, there's always time if we want it.

Jeremy Cline 20:04
So, then, it not being the right time doesn't mean an absence of time, it just means it might not be the right point in life to be doing it. And that's not to do with time.

Mareike Schoenig 20:15
Yeah, that might have been my lack of native English explaining it wrongly things.

Jeremy Cline 20:20
No, no, that's fine. I'd just like to maybe ask the question again, though. So, how do you know that it is the right time or not the wrong time? I mean, how do you know that you shouldn't just be getting on doing this now?

Mareike Schoenig 20:32
How a person would know that this is the right time right now? So, for instance, if you find yourself struggling with something, not knowing what to do in a certain life situation, it naturally grows if it requires attention. So, the feeling you have, you're able to kind of own it down or not allow it to become a big part in your life, it's probably okay for you for the time being. Or if sometimes things resolve on their own. But if it doesn't stop, and if it's nagging on you for years, and it becomes bigger and louder, and the pain you feel and the struggle you're in is excessively growing, and it's just like a snail crawling into all of the aspects of your life and it's starting to spread consequences, you see it – like, for instance, consequences I was dealing, that I felt my social life wasn't happening anymore, I was hiding in my own place. So, if you see things like that, you can choose to make time for it, unless you're okay with the consequences it comes with.

Jeremy Cline 21:28
Where does the dividing line sit between intuition and analysis? I'm a very analytical person. And...

Mareike Schoenig 21:36
Me too.

Jeremy Cline 21:39
I, you know, it's sometimes fun that I kind of get to a place where I have to look at something from every single angle before I find what I think is the, you know, quote unquote, 'right answer'. How do you know when to kind of stop analysing and to let intuition take over? Or, in fact, the other way? How do you know when analysis is the right addition to the intuition?

Mareike Schoenig 22:06
Generally speaking, I think we are given both options. And I do think there is no 'either-or'. So, I think, in an ideal world, we are able just to allow both sides and both values lay in and just have our own state and peace in a big decision or in a big whatever. So, for instance, me moving to a new place now, here in Germany, I had this very strong intuition and the strong guidance to move to that particular region. But it also came with some points that I felt like I needed to analyse, like, alright, how far is that away from my husband's work? How can we manage that? How much extra costs are related to that? So, those are all things that my brain and my analysis would take to. But feeling that the place where I wanted to live was that particular region was the other part of the intuition I allowed in and towards the overall decision-making. So, I don't think there is 'either-or', I do think there's always a combination of both. And we do live, and I found myself in that, I felt like 35 years or 30 years at least, being 100% analytical and my university course of informatics and computer science really helped me to become very structure and analytical person, but I always felt like there were limits, and I was missing this deep, satisfying feeling when I made a 100% analytical decision. And so, a good combination of both.

Jeremy Cline 23:32
So, it sounds like you're almost trying to get the analytical side and the intuitive side to agree with one another.

Mareike Schoenig 23:38
Oh, my god, yes. Because that is exactly what you're saying, this is where the heart and the mind is aligned. And then everything is possible. Perfect. Yes, good conclusion.

Jeremy Cline 23:49
If you've been through this period of self-reflection, and you've got a better idea of your own limiting beliefs and your values, and you're beginning to feel more intuitive about things, I mean, how do you interpret what you found out in terms of what you do with it?

Mareike Schoenig 24:07
How do I interpret it, what I do with things about it? Can you rephrase that question? I don't think I understand.

Jeremy Cline 24:12
So, someone comes to you in a place of dissatisfaction with their career, where they're working, that sort of thing. And you take them through this process where they understand themselves, they understand their own limiting beliefs, they understand their own values, they start to develop more their feeling of intuition, so they're more in touch with what makes them tick and where they would be happier. What do they do with all that information?

Mareike Schoenig 24:38
It's their choice. I can't tell them. I mean...

Jeremy Cline 24:43
Maybe, what's the first step that someone takes once they've got all this information in order to get themselves to a place where whatever they're doing fits in with all of that?

Mareike Schoenig 24:52
So, if for instance, the situation is such that the person is aiming for a work-related change, looking for a new job or something like that, and he wants to undergo some improvements with that regard, and he has done the analytic work, and he has digged down to his own intuition, and it tells him, or tells her, to change the company, and to do something with kids. I mean, that's first of all, a piece of information, it's just like the dashboard of our own car gives us information, and we choose to change the oil or not. I mean, it's up to us. So, that information is up to that person as well. And I personally keep saying, if my intuition directs me towards the same thing at least three times, I'm finally beginning to give it attention. Because intuition also is like, there's a lot of data adding up to it, and I slowly begin to give it attention. And then if that is a dramatic change, like change the whole profession or move to another country, or whatever the intuition is coming forward with, it is the choice and it's again towards back to the points of, 'I believe in it, I want it, I feel committed to it and I feel that's right for me right now, in the point of life where I am'. And then small baby steps can be taken towards that new life scenario that the intuition has been provided to us.

Jeremy Cline 26:10
This point about intuition, it's a really important one, isn't it? Because there's, I can see how you might be confused between intuition and a sort of a feeling of, you know, the grass is always greener. If someone tells you what they do and you think, 'Oh, wow, that sounds really interesting. That sort of perked me up. Wow, that sounds much more interesting than my job.' But that doesn't necessarily mean that intuitively, you have figured out that that is really right for you. It's more that it's just, it sounds better than where you are at the moment.

Mareike Schoenig 26:42
Intuition comes back. Intuition, the message you get through intuition will repeat itself until you cannot feel it. So, I believe many of us have a childhood dream. They wanted to become someone prior early in their life, but they never went for it. Because life, I don't know, life got them somewhere else, which is okay, as well. But sometimes those dreams are still very active in people. What I keep saying, that over decades and centuries and long years, the intuition continues to come back on the same point, if that is the way that you're supposed to give and that you're supposed to follow, I mean. So, there's clarity, but it's not as instant as we're used to at the moment. I mean, it just takes a little bit more time and more reflection to see what is actually coming back.

Jeremy Cline 27:26
This idea of reflecting on what you liked as a child and what your dreams were as a child, it's another thing that kind of recurs, and I guess when you're a child, no child thinks, 'Hey, I'm going to grow up to be a lawyer', or, 'Hey, I'm going to grow to be a management accountant', because most children don't actually know what on earth that means. So, it's more, 'Oh, I want to be an astronaut', or, 'I want to be a fireman', or something like that. But I suppose what you can do is, rather than focusing on the, you know, I want to be a dot-dot-dot, focus on what it was about the characteristics of that dot-dot-dot that first drew you to it. And maybe there are aspects of being a lawyer or a management accountant that do satisfy those.

Mareike Schoenig 28:06
Totally, I do believe people who wanted to be a vet, they just have a very strong love for animals, and they care for animals. And maybe it's the characteristics of caring for someone that is driving them towards becoming a vet, but they find caring for someone or animals in other job roles as well, that maybe are easier in the later point, mid of their lives to turn towards to. Is that what you were trying to say?

Jeremy Cline 28:31
Yeah, that sums it up very well.

Mareike Schoenig 28:33
Yeah, okay, then I got you, yeah.

Jeremy Cline 28:35
Mareike, I think this is a subject which we've literally just sort of scratched the surface on. But hopefully, it's given people something to think about. If people are interested in taking this further, do you have any recommended books, tools, resources that people can look at, to start to explore these sorts of things a little bit more?

Mareike Schoenig 28:52
The greatest clarity on this huge field of finding your own authentic and intuition and guidance that comes out of you I got was from a book called New Species. It has been written by Chérie Carter-Scott, she's an American. And this book is all about, yeah, imagining what a new species would look like, if only we would all live based on our intuition. And yeah, I just really loved it. And if anyone feels like, you know, improving things, starting with our toddlers and creating and making them towards the people that kind of are connected to their intuition, in addition to their analytical skills, and the possibility we can create the world towards to it, is just beautifully described in there. It's very motivating, on going towards this way.

Jeremy Cline 29:37
Fantastic. Excellent. I'll look out for that, I've not come across that one. And in terms of where people can find you and get a hold of you, where's the best place that they can do that?

Mareike Schoenig 29:46
I've got a website, mareikeschoenig.de, I've got an Instagram channel, that's instagram.com/mareikeschoenigcoaching, likewise for Facebook, and I also have got a LinkedIn website. And in addition to all of that, I host a podcast, the name of the podcast is Miracle of Coaching and that is the unique opportunity to listen to unedited and very raw and pure coaching conversations I have with people, because I believe with reflecting and self-reflection comes from real conversations just like what we're having here right now, that was a very beautiful one, Jeremy. That is what I'm doing with them. It's just like on particular topics with clients who just want to get unstuck towards a certain goal they're having in mind. And yeah, it probably reflects on many other people when they listen to it as well.

Jeremy Cline 30:31
Fabulous. Well, the podcast sounds very interesting. I'll definitely take a listen. Mareike, I'll link to all that in the show notes, some absolutely fascinating stuff. Thank you so much for joining me on the podcast.

Mareike Schoenig 30:40
Thank you, Jeremy. That was amazing. I loved it. Thank you.

Jeremy Cline 30:44
Wow, hope you enjoyed that episode. We went into some pretty deep stuff there with Mareike, but there was so much sense to what she was saying about how it really is about getting in touch with your own intuition, trusting your own feelings, allowing yourself to have those feelings to work out instinctively what is going to make you happy. For me, I had a real aha moment when we started talking about the relationship between being analytical and being intuitive and the kind of agreement, I suppose, that Mareike and I reached, that it was really about finding a compromise between the two. For someone who, as regular listeners know, is very an analytical, and sometimes I think I let that analysis get in the way of things, knowing that there is a way to find a compromise between being an analytical and being intuitive, I felt that was very positive for me. And it's something that I can start to learn how not to let being analytical get in the way of tapping into my own feelings themselves. So, there was a lot of stuff in there. But I hope that if you are one of those people who feels like your job or your career just really isn't doing it for you, it's not making you fulfilled, it's not leaving you satisfied, then this gives you a starting point to start to get in touch with your intuition and work out just what is going wrong.

Jeremy Cline 32:03
If you go to changeworklife.com/83 for Episode 83, then you'll find the show notes there with the transcript of the interview, a summary of everything we've talked about, links to the resources that we've mentioned, and also contact details for how you can get in touch with Mareike and find her online. You'll also find buttons on that page where you can share the episode on your choice of social media. And I'd love it if you would, there's so much stuff in here, someone you know is going to find this valuable. So, share it with them, help someone out. It would mean the world to me if you would share this episode, and let's help more people find their dream career. There's another great interview coming your way next week. So, if you haven't already, make sure you subscribe to the show and I can't wait to see you next week. Cheers. Bye.